wtogami ([info]wtogami) wrote,
@ 2008-06-04 05:30:00
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Fedora Hawaii 2008 and LTSP thoughts
David Cantrell and I gave a presentation about the Fedora Project and the new Fedora 9 release at the University of Hawaii. We gave out a number of 2GB USB sticks to promote Fedora 9's LiveUSB with persistence feature, since this is the safest way for people to try Fedora without risking their hard drive. This brings up two thoughts:

1) Intel Macs seem to be prevalent among our target user. 3 people seemed to want to try LiveUSB but they had Intel Macs. Our LiveUSB doesn't support EFI boot. Not sure if this would be possible to support in the future.

2) LiveUSB is a great way for people to try Fedora safely. But perhaps we should do something like Ubuntu's Wubi for an even safer and ultra-convenient way to try Fedora. It would be less fragile than USB, no worry of writing beyond overlay capacity and other possible causes of corruption. It appears that it wouldn't take a lot of work to implement for Fedora? In any case we might need to give it a different name because it clashes with the too prevalent Chinese input method.

After the presentation we ate pizza and I talked with a number of folks. I met a former tech company engineer named Scott currently an educator at Kailua Intermediate. He has coding skills and was very interested in how to get involved in Fedora development. Then I met another educator from Kailua. They together manage ~4 LTSP labs at their school. They mentioned the need to port fl_teachertool to work with LTSP in Fedora 9. Since they both heavily rely on LTSP and have coding skills, this sounds like a promising opportunity to recruit a new developer to Fedora and to work with me on the K12Linux LTSP for Fedora project.

I also had the opportunity to talk at length with R Scott Belford of the Hawaii Open Soure Education Foundation (HOSEF.org). At the time that I left Hawaii I was involved with getting Linux thin clients into only a few schools. I was surprised to hear that HOSEF had Linux thin clients and diskless workstations had since expanded to 40+ labs in both schools and community centers. Understandably they had to do deployments with software beyond just Fedora/K12LTSP because the technology fell so far behind. I learned from Scott that the Norwegian Skolelinux had a number of LTSP and diskless workstation features that LTSP upstream or Ubuntu does not yet have, like local apps support which is very important for multimedia. This is a bit surprising to hear. I have to check into this. He also mentioned that there is something else similar to teachertool that might be suitable.

These were the first educators that I met in-person after the release of Fedora 9 with K12Linux. It is very important for me to get feedback like this. It seems that too many people use things, run into a problem and give up too easily without asking questions on the project list.



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[info]katzj
2008-06-04 01:29 pm UTC (link)
We probably can spend some time to get things working on the Intel Macs now that we're starting to support native EFI booting on them. Unfortunately, you can't do it non-destructively. I did start looking at it a tiny bit on Monday. File something against livecd-tools and then I'll definitely try to get it into the shell script of doom soon.

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[info]xenocoder
2008-06-04 06:31 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for coming out and for the presentation. Unfortunately I had to leave early to get my daughter to sleep but I am really interested in the live USB potential. I work for NOAA and with the security worries in regards to laptops and loss/theft it might be really nice to have a generic ultraportable "travel" laptop that people check out with their own custom USB environment.

Personally I use an intel-based Mac as well :)

I did work a bit with the LTSP idea at my daughter's school, but they were a bit cautious and I didn't really have enough information/time to sell it at that point. As things progress and I learn more it would be good to try again, so it was inspiring to see that portion of the presentation as well.

Thanks again for your time, it was cool to have something like this in Hawaii. Did anyone give contact information or give some indication that they would be interested in an Oahu LUG? Just curious.

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